A conversation with Denisse Vega, ORSC, PCC, Masters in Information Security
For Denisse Vega, technology is all about creating connection. The ORSC coach suggests that instead of fearing a future with Artificial Intelligence (AI), we examine the relationship we want to have with it.
Having started her career as an information systems engineer, Denisse eventually moved into cybersecurity, software development and project management. She added coaching to her skillset to help bridge the gap between people and technology.
In addition to being trained in Organization and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC™), Denisse holds a Masters in Information Security from the Universidad de Duesto in Spain, has a Professional Certified Coach (PCC) credential, and is an Agile (ICE-ENT) coach. She is located in northern Mexico.
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On when she’s most on purpose
It’s about transformation. I transform the way people are relating. Relationship isn’t just what’s happening between us, but how we interact with technologies like AI. Many people have a really bad relationship with technology. They think AI is like “Terminator” - that it’s going to blast us away - but we can be in relationship with technology and use it as a co-creator.
So where I’m most on purpose is when I can help people transform the way they see and how they approach life.
On how she came to coaching
I started working with computers when I was 13 years old - just playing. That started me on a wide career path. When I started working in Human Resources (HR) I had a hard time communicating. I had an engineering and operational mindset, and HR is all about soft skills and learning to relate. That’s when I got into coaching.
Eventually, I decided to become a full-time coach. Now I work with organizations - engineers, managers, new and middle managers, and executives that would like to transition into a more connected world.
ORSC was a huge eye opener. I was able to see how systems actually work, and how to work with relationship.
On what piqued her interest in ORSC
To be honest, I was in the second course of my CTI training, and struggling badly. I am very structured in the way that I think, and it was hard for me to understand or relate to it. Somebody saw that I was struggling, and suggested learning about ORSC. I bought [Marita Fridjhon's] book “Creating Intelligent Teams” and when I started reading through it, I was amazed. This was what I had been looking for.
To be honest, ORSC changed my life. It was really impressive. For instance, the quantum mechanics theory that ORSC uses - it helped me to understand coaching. I’d learned about quantum mechanics in engineering, and it was really easy for me to understand how things work at that level. We are particles. We’re not really mass, we’re energy in motion, creating energy fields that move. We’re all connected, because we are all energy - just different representations of it.
On her favorite ORSC tools and skills
The Three Levels of Reality is one that I use most. And the Designed Team Alliance - I use that almost every single time I give a comprehensive training. Most people don’t understand how to create alliances. We go through life assuming things, when we are actually in need of premium alliances and being clear on how we want to be. What’s the environment we want to create together?
Another one that I use a lot is the toxins. It creates awareness in the system - who they're dealing with, what they're dealing with, and what they can expect. Immediately the question is - so how can this be different?
The Third Entity is useful. I adapt the ORSC tools to individual coaching. One time, I used it with a client who was completely blind on what could be happening, just immersed in her own reality. When we started using the Third Entity, it completely changed the game for her. Another client, a digital nomad, had a project open for a few months, and was constantly pushing it away. When we started checking into his relationship with this project, he realized he didn't want to do it because of the overall impact that it was going to have.
Quantum flirts - I didn’t know if this tool was going to work, but I tried it with one of my clients. We went outside to see what might be flirting, and walked by a building that had been under construction for a while. My client suddenly stopped and said - “I’m going to have a baby!” His wife was due in a few weeks, but he’d been so immersed in his work that he wasn’t really paying attention to what she was “building.”
On reframing our love/hate relationship with AI
I’m leading an ORSC Community call that will bring awareness of the type of relationship you want to have with technology. AI is everywhere, and it’s been with us for a long time - since the 1950s and 60s. Nobody really paid attention it until now. A lot of people have a really bad relationship with technology. They think it is going to take their jobs away.
For me, technology is just a tool. The way you relate to the tool is the way you’re going to use it. AI can take care of repetitive work that suits machines. If we learn how to relate to AI, we’ll have space and time to immerse ourselves in creativity and connection.
We can feel threatened by technology, but it’s mostly used for repetitive jobs that take you directly into a world of numbness. People want to create, people want to feel challenged, they want to feel connected, they want to feel they're doing something for a bigger purpose. They don't want to be just typing or translating, they want to be doing something bigger than themselves. If we use technology to take over the jobs that are killing our creativity, or killing our humanity, we're using it right.
AI is not going to take the job of connection because computers cannot connect to humans, at least not yet. It’s never going to be the same as interacting with another human.
On her superpower
I'm really good at observation. If I were to compare myself to a superhero, I’m mostly like Ironman. He doesn’t really have superpowers. He’s just a normal person that knows how to use technology to help him - how to work with what he has, and leverage it to better everyone.
On her heroes
I can’t really say there’s one person that is my hero. Everybody has something special that they can share. If you pay attention, you will find a superpower in everyone.
On how she’s using ORSC in Worldwork
What lights me up is creating connections with my clients, and with kids in my community. Some of the free work I do is to go to schools and talk about technology - how to use it, how to be safe, and how you can use technology to improve your life and have better relationships.
Kids are really intelligent. I don’t think I could be in front of kids without the ORSC tools. If you just start talking about technology, kids don’t pay attention, but when you start being in relationship with them, they do. With ORSC, I know how to work with groups. I create an alliance with the kids. I ask - how is your relationship with online gaming? How do you do it? Have you seen this potential threat? They start telling you.
Overusing AI can take us to this solitary world. There's plenty of stories about people that rely solely on technology and they forget to relate. That's not the path we should follow. Yes, we can use technology to make life easier - but then use the time that we get back to connect, to be out there with the world, and to do something together.
We often think of technology as something that separates, but it’s actually something that connects us.
On what she’s listening to, watching and reading
In the book “Regenerative Leadership,” Giles Hutchins and Laura Storm talk about how we as leaders need to start thinking about regeneration. It’s a cycle. We can work together to regenerate our resources - the ecology and all of our environments - and also our communities.
I like CRR Global's Relationship Matters podcast, and I am reading several books. I like to read several different books at a time. I'm also taking The Science of Happiness course from Berkeley. It’s really good so far.
I got hooked on one of the animes, Naruto. They go on missions and they fight evil - always in groups. What I like about it is not just the animation and the drawings, but the story itself - going from being a single individual that wants to do everything alone, to becoming a really powerful group.
On why systems coaching is important now
We're all immersed in systems. Coaching creates awareness, and helps you to work with what's here, right now - also helps to create the future. Without systems coaching, we will not be able to see all the interaction cycling or the dynamics.
Systems are made of modules. We are also modules, and have ins and outs. Something comes in, gets processed, and then comes out. When we start to be aware of what’s happening inside, we can change it. If we want to be creators of our own reality, we need to pay attention.
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